Well, the Celtics have lost 2 in a row. Once again, the defense just wasn't there. The Celtics talked about this team being the best defensive team ever. Well, so far it's all talk because when you allow a team to rack up 113 points on 52% shooting and allow them to shoot 50% from beyond the arc, You aren't playing defense. This team is very capable of playing lock down defense. We saw it in the first 5 games and in the Utah game but then, in the other games, the defense just hasn't been there. I don't know if it is fatigue or if it is just mental lapses. Whatever it is, they need to figure it out and get back to locking teams down on D because it is defense that wins championships.
There were a couple of bizarre happenings in this game. In the beginning of the 3rd quarter, a Dahntay Jones jumper got stuck inside the basket in the net and Perk had to tip it to get it to fall out. Then, in the 4th quarter, a Ray Allen 3 got wedged between the basket and backboard. And on one play, two Pacers were going for a rebound of a Paul Pierce miss and they tipped the ball into the Celtics' basket. Perk got credited with the points because he was the closest Celtics to the basket.
I really don't like Joey Crawford. He is power happy. Perk was called for a foul and afterwards, he calmly put his hands up in the air and according to Mike Gorman, who was just 10 feet away, Perk just said "I went straight up." And Crawford gave him a technical foul. It seemed totally uncalled for. Then, on the next play, Doc Rivers got a technical also. KG and Sheed also received techs in this game. You should recall that Joey Crawford was suspended back in 2007 for tossing Tim Duncan for laughing on the bench in a playoff game. He then challenged Duncan to a fight when Duncan tried to plead his case. I imagine he won the pool tonight for giving out the most technicals in the game.
The Celtics appeared to fix their rebounding problems and out-rebounded the Pacers 43-34. The difference was a lot bigger in the first half. They seemed to lose their fight in the 4th quarter and allowed the Pacers to get most of the rebounds down the stretch as they pulled away.
The Celtics struggled on the offensive end, especially in the second half. They shot just 3-12 from beyond the arc for just 25% and shot just 48% overall. They weren't moving the ball as can be seen from the fact that they had just 18 assists on 39 field goals. On the other hand, the Pacers had 31 assists on 40 field goals.
Perk and Shelden Williams both played well as Perk finished with 11 points, 13 rebounds and 2 blocks in 28 minutes and Shelden finished with 10 points, 9 rebounds, and 1 block in 17 minutes of play. Shelden had one play in particular that was impressive. He blocked a shot on one end and ran the floor to finish with a layup at the other. He also won the Tommy Award for the game.
Ray Allen had a team high 24 points on 8-18 shooting. He was 2-6 from beyond the arc and continues to take the ball inside when his outside shot isn't falling. Pierce had 15 points, 4 rebounds and 4 assists. KG finished with 15 points 7 rebounds and 2 assists. Rondo had 10 points, 2 rebounds, 4 assists, and 2 steals but continues to struggle from the line going 0-2 in this game. Marquis Daniels had 9 points, 2 rebounds, and 3 assists against his former team.
The Celtics have 3 days off now to regroup and try to get their defense right and to figure out what went wrong in these past two games. There is a lot of talk about fatigue, but I personally think it is more mental lapses than it is fatigue. Even to begin the games, the starters have been coming out flat. They just don't seem to be playing with the urgency and intensity that their opponents have been playing with. They need to get that mental toughness back.
We have to prove to the NBA and this National TV audience that we can be a SOLID TEAM ON THE ROAD and not just this surprising young team that can get up for any home game.
Fri should show us how far we have (or haven't) come. Should be interesting......
I'm interested more in how Boston approaches this game. Do they respect us yet, or will they come in with the same another game attitude they gave us last year.
In any case, why does earning the Celtics' respect even matter?
They didn't really seem to have a game plan for us last year. It was more just show up and beat us on talent. I want to see if they scheme us at all. And it does matter how they approach us. Beyond the talking heads and coach speak, the players truly show through their approach the potency of an opponent. If they are content to trade baskets with us and count on out playing us do to superior talent in the 4th then in their eyes we are no more than the Knicks are in the Hawk's eyes. And that bothers me and should bother the Hawks.
The game definitely means much more to the Hawks and Hawk fans, than it does to the Celtics and their fans. We're the only ones referring to this as a "rivalry game". We're the ones looking for vallidation, not them.
Man I hate the Celts. They always go after Horford and Smith early and depend on the calls. If the fouls add up, we need to just go totally small and run the old men out of the place.
Or I could dream.
I don't think its a rivalry at all. Everyone in Boston has forgotten about our little annoyance 2 years ago in the playoffs, in which Boston won it all. We Atlanta fans, however, will never forget the JJ shot against Powe, or ZaZa getting in KG's grill, but its all Mickey Mouse. There is no rivalry. We've proven nothing in their eyes.
We have more bench, youth and speed, but I am not really sure it will be utilized properly. Boston is at home and has more talent. I know it makes me a bad fan, but I am not expecting a whole lot out of tonight's game. I can take a road loss to a Finals contender, so I won't cover my head and panic if we get beat by 20 (like the Suns last night).
I'm not terribly optimistic. The Celts are efficient and smart offensively and too good defensively to allow Crawford or Joe to go off. Horford will struggle, too.
I would consider a loss by less than 20 a victory. This team is still a few years away from competing with the top tier teams on the road.
Are you serious??? The Hawks lost IN BOSTON last year by one point on a shot at the buzzer. Now, you are somehow trying to say that losing by less than 20 would now be a victory????? On the contrary. Losing by 15, 17, or 19 points would be a step backwards in my opinion. It would make much more sense if you said that losing by less than 5 would be a victory, but losing by 19 is still getting your butt kicked any way you slice it.
HATE THE CELTS.......I JUST HATE EVERYTHING THEY STAND FOR....A win tonight would be just another W in the column but just so much sweeter.
Just wanna take a pair of scissors and head to their rafters and cut down every banner they have
If the Hawks come out sluggish like these past few games its going to get ugly quick..But if they come out fighting and matching Boston's intensity, I think they have a chance to make this a close game.....
I try to keep things positive around here. I would hope that we keep it competitive for atleast a half before we get our doors blown off. This is the best team in basketball on their home floor against a team that doesn't consistently get up for big games especially on the road.
I don't think getting up is the problem, it's staying up.
I honestly feel a win coming Friday night. The Hawks have gone to Boston and lost one to many times by now.
It would be a huge staement win to beat the best team in the East in their building, but I don't expect them to do that. The Hawks are certainly capable, but they need to play a perfect game almost.
Nice to see the Hawks get off to a good start for a change.
I'm not a fan of these ticky tack traveling calls we are getting called on when Boston has a blatantly obvious moving screen just about every possession.
The calls don't look to even. They have made a couple comments that our guys got hit and no call.
Pierce hurt. That could be huge.
In it at the half which is surprising given all the turnovers. Our second unit gets a lot of minutes against Boston and are hardly used against New York: Mike Woodson you are an enigma wrapped in a question.
I bet PP comes back. I'm tickled we are up by two going into the last quarter.
Peirce goes out hurt but he always comes back. Sometimes I think he fakes injuries so he can come back as the hero. I really hate him. Hes such a faker
I'm convinced the Celtics have adopted a similar philosophy on moving screens as Pat Riley did on fouls with the Knicks-keep doing it until the refs stop calling it. It's amazing to see them complain when they actually get called for it.
Strange to see the Hawks dominating a good team on the boards. Even stranger to see the Hawks playing well with Horford and Smith on the bench in the 2nd half.
The big bully Celtics don't like being bullied. Ha ha! Its about time the Hawks get some credit for being a top team. This proves we belong. The old Celtics have no answer for the young Hawks.
Crawford got away with one there. I can't believe that the refs are giving the Hawks calls on the Celtics court.
The refs have inconsistent as hell....but it looks like we got the majority of the calls in the 2nd half.
Wow! The refs are really giving the Hawks some love in the second half. I expected just the opposite.
I'm loving it that Hubie is telling it like it is with the ISO Joe. Good to hear a respected commentator tell the truth. Looks like we win.
Big win! First win in Boston in regular season since 2007.
Is this win legit even though big baby was out? Oh yah,.. Pierce had a "boo boo" as well. You can add Perkins face to the injury list as well.
Yeah right. Pierce leaves the floor so he can make some prima donna return. He's as bad as Wade.
He ended up playing 36 minutes so he couldn't have been too hurt.
Some day we will see this: P. Pierce - DNP (Yeast Infection)
Somehow I don't think we saw the best of the Celtics tonight for whatever reason. They just didn't seem to have the intensity. Maybe they did take us for granted. They won't make that mistake again.
The Hawks scored 97 pts against the best defense in the league even though they shot only 27% from 3.
Great game! Garnett just does not seem like his old self.
Hubie just loves Paul Pierce.
Hearing "Bibby,you suck!" as the Hawks dribbled out the clock in a half empty Boston Garden as they secured the win and destroyed the under is my personal highlight of the young season.
And by the way, we beat the Celts with NO EXCUSES.
GREAT VICTORY FOR THE HAWKS. Mental block in Boston taken care of....CHECK
The Celtics only score 86 even though each starter shot 50% or better from the field. It was definitely all about the boards.
Boston had beaten Atlanta for so long on their home court, they didn't
Believe they could lose. Now, they believe!!
I was not happy that the guy announcing with Huby downplayed our victory by talking about how Boston didn't play well. Give me a break . . . . . Like it had nothing to do with how we played.
This should give us a little more respect: WINNING ON ESPN.
This one was about effort. The Celtics didn't bring it. I usually look at the rebounds to see what kind of effort this team is putting out. They are perfectly capable of out-rebounding every team every night. Rebounding is about effort and desire. That's how a 6'1" guard like Rondo can out rebound centers and power forwards. The Celtics were out rebounded by the Hawks 47-29. When a team is out rebounded by that much, they just weren't putting out the effort.
The Celtics are still over relying on the 3 point shot. Like the old saying goes, "You live by the 3 and you die by the 3." In this game, the Celtics were definitely not living by it as they shot just 1-14 from beyond the arc. When the long ball isn't falling, the Celtics need to abandon those shots and take the ball inside. To his credit, Ray has been doing that. He was 0-2 from beyond the arc and 5-8 overall and had a couple of very nice layups. Paul Pierce was 0-4 and Sheed was 1-5 shooting the 3. When they are falling it is great but when they aren't, it's ugly.
The Hawks bench out played the Celtics bench both on offense and on the boards. The Hawks bench put up 28 points to 20 for the Celtics. And the Hawks bench had a 13-5 rebounding edge also.
Although it wasn't the reason the Celtics lost (their lack of effort was) the officiating was pretty bad. The calls mostly went the Hawks' way in the second half.
Individually, none of the numbers stand out. Perk had 14 points, 9 rebounds and 1 block in 29 minutes (fewest of the starters). Rondo had 4 points, 9 assists and 1 steal. He was 0-2 from the free throw line and his free throw percentage is just 38%. I don't think we can talk about Rondo in the top 5 point guards until he improves his free throw shooting. He will be a liability at the end of close games until he can make his free throws. Pierce had 24 points, 3 rebounds, and 2 assists in spite of leaving the game with a knee injury. He came back to finish out the game and I hope that it was not serious and that he won't have to miss time because of it. KG had 14 points and 5 rebounds. Ray finished with 10 points, 3 rebounds and 5 assists.
Now they go on to play the Pacers on the road in the second of back to back games. It is their 4th set of back to back games already this season. If they looked tired and lacked effort in the first game, I really don't know what to expect in this one. Thankfully they have another 3 days off again after the Pacers game.
Just an aside...I always hate seeing my Celtics lose, especially at home, but the blow was softened a little by watching the Fakers get totally out-played and trashed 105-79 by the Denver Nuggets. It's always fun to watch Kobe get frustrated and scream at his teammates.
Atlanta Hawks (6-2) at Boston Celtics (8-1)
Friday, November 13
8:00 PM ET
Game #10, Home Game #6
TV: ESPN, CSNHD
Referees: Monty McCutchen, Derrick Collins, Olandis Poole
Since the Hawks took the Celtics to 7 games in that 2008 playoff series, they have felt as though they are due a big win against the Celtics but have yet to get it. They are a young and athletic team and so the Celtics need to take them seriously. The Hawks are off to a very good start this season and will be looking to get that big win they feel they are capable of getting.
There is a subplot in this game as well. Joe Johnson was drafted by the Celtics who gave up on him while Shelden Williams was taken by the Hawks with the 5th pick in the draft and they gave up on him. Shelden has been playing very well for the Celtics and I'm sure he will be up for this game although he says that it is just another game. He also said he wants the win, not revenge.
Kevin Garnett insists that the Celtics and Hawks are not a rivalry, but given the bad blood between these two teams going back to their first round series in 2008, I'd have to say that if it isn't a rivalry, it is fast approaching one. These two teams don't like each other and there will probably be a measure of chippiness in this game.
C Kendrick Perkins Perkins 9.5 PPG 6.0 RPG 2.4 BPG
Tony Allen (ankle) out
Big Baby Davis (thumb) out
PG Mike Bibby PPG 10.4 RPG 3.4 APG 4.4
SG Joe Johnson PPG 21.0 RPG 5.9 APG 4.3
SF Marvin Williams PPG 9.6 RPG 4.9 APG 0.4
PF Josh Smith PPG 16.0 RPG 7.3 APG 4.4
C Al Horford PPG 13.5 RPG 10.5 APG 1.9
Rajon Rondo vs Mike Bibby
It doesn't get any easier for Rondo as he goes up against another solid veteran PG in Mike Bibby. Bibby can be dangerous from the perimeter but Rondo is quicker and can get the first step on Bibby. Celtics fans still remember Mike Bibby's comment about bandwagon fans in the playoffs 2 years ago and would love to see Rondo take Bibby to school
Kevin Garnett vs Josh Smith
Smith is a very athletic and quick power forward and this will be a test of KG's mobility. Smith is a handful to guard but then, so is KG. Should be a good matchup.
Kendrick Perkins vs Al Horford
Horford has no love for the Celtics. It was and incident with Horford that earned Pierce a $25,000 fine for flashing a "gang sign" back at him. He has had scuffles with Perk more than a few times and recently he claimed that Paul Pierce owed him $10,000 for a bet they made while lined up for a free throw in that playoff series. Perk is more mobile this year and should be able to defend Horford very well. It will be interesting to see what Horford does in this game.
• Celtics won the season series 4-0 against Atlanta in 2008-09
• Paul Pierce led the Celtics with 23.5 points per game last season
• Joe Johnson averaged 21.3 points per game against Celtics last season
• Marked the first time in the 60 year history between the two franchises that the Celtics had swept back-to-back season series
• The Celtics are leading the all-time series 214-126 with the Celtics 114-35 at home
Keys to the Game Defense - This is the key to every game and to winning a championship this year. Rebound - The Celtics were out rebounded by the Jazz. They need to work harder on the boards, especially on the offensive end. Move the ball The Celtics lead the league in assists per game. Moving the ball, making the extra pass and finding the open man is crucial for this team's success. Don't Overuse the 3 In the Jazz game, the team did a good job of balancing the 3 point shot with getting to the hoop. They need to keep up that balance.
Don't Underestimate the Hawks This team can be dangerous. They are a young, talented and athletic team. They also have a good bench. The Celtics have to come out strong and take them out of their game early because if they let them hang around, they may steal this one.
Ray Allen is just getting over the 5 stitches he received courtesy of a Kendrick Perkins elbow during a walk through of some of the plays. Now, today we have 2 more reports from practice that indicate just how tough they go at each other in practice.
Celtics' captain Paul Pierce sustained a cut on his right cheek, thanks to a Brian Scalabrine elbow, during a Thursday afternoon practice session. Pierce finished the 1 1/2-hour session with a bandage on his face.
Paul Pierce was sporting a bandage on the right side of his face after getting hit by an inadvertent elbow from Brian Scalabrine during Thursday's practice. Pierce wasn't the only victim of Scalabrine's physicality in practice as J.R. Giddens got hit on the top of the head.
"It went great," coach Doc Rivers said of Scalabrine's return from back spasms. "He elbowed one guy in the head and hit another guy, so he's back. Scal's back."
This was a very fun game to watch. For one thing, the Celtics were clicking on all cylinders and it's fun to watch when they play like that. KG looks better with every game. Shelden Williams is settling into his role very nicely as is Marquis Daniels. Hearing Paul Pierce before the game saying that a lot of the credit for the Celtics' play goes to Perk because he is the backbone along with Kevin really was great to hear.
There were a few things that caught my attention last night. The best possession of the season so far came in the 3rd quarter. Rondo passed the ball to Ray who sent it to Perk who passed it to KG with a nifty behind the back pass. KG then found Rondo under the basket for a layup. It was thing of pure beauty. When your center is doing behind the back passes and your point guard is driving in for a layup, you know things are going well.
I love it when Rondo drives baseline and on a dime changes directions and completely fakes out the defender. It was a very nice sight to see Bill Walker out there, even if it was just for a few minutes at the end. I still think he is ahead of Giddens. JR just looks lost out there at times and I don't see that from Walker.
Another great moment in the game was at the end of the 3rd quarter. Doc put Ray and Eddie into the game with Deron Williams at the free throw line and just a little over 3 seconds left in the third quarter. Rondo took the inbounds pass and as all the Jazz defenders rushed at the 3 point shooters on the court, Rondo simply drove the length of the court and laid it in at the buzzer. That word from the Kia Rondo commercials came to mind: Giddyupedness. For sure!
Then there was the Rondo alley oop to KG who finished it with a monster dunk over 2 defenders. He went to the floor but jumped right back up and ran up the court. I have to say that KG looked the best he has looked this season so far. Hopefully plays like that and the way he was stroking the ball last night should put to rest all the "gimpy" KG talk. He looked good, not like he was coping, but good!
There was a funny moment where a Jazz player was chasing the ball up the court after a pass had been deflected trying to keep it from going out of bounds. If he reached it, it would have been Jazz ball and if he let it go, it would have been last touched by Boston. Sheed was there and instead of joining chase and running after the ball, he reached over and batted the ball off the guy out of bounds so that the Jazz couldn't grab the ball to save it and so that the Celtics would have possession. What a crafty player.
Perk had another good outing with 10 points, 8 rebounds (3 offensive) and 2 assists in 26 minutes. KG had 18 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist and 2 steals in just 26 minutes. Rondo posted 14 points, 11 assists and 2 steals. Shelden Williams continues to make the most of his minutes with 6 points and 6 rebounds, with 4 of those on the offensive end. The Celtics had 7 players in double figures, which shows great balance on the team. They held the Jazz to just 47% shooting while shooting 53% themselves. They had 30 assists on 41 field goals. The only negative would be the fact that they were out rebounded 39-33 but with all the other positives, that's ok.
It was nice to see them taking the ball to the basket and not settling for just 3 pointers the entire game. They still shot 19 3's but weren't relying on that shot as much as they had in the past couple of games. Rasheed had 7 of the 3 point attempts and was just 2-7 from beyond the arc. Ray had a couple of really nice drives and layups along with his 1-3 from long distance. All in all it was a very fun game to watch and nice to see what a couple days rest and practice can do for this team.
Well, there's really not much to say about this one. It won't be pretty.
I think we win, a very frustrating win.
Jazz by 8, book it. Jazz always win these games.
Rondo is gonna eat DWill alive
Well here comes another ass whooping for sloan Win or lose sloan must be fired
Doc Rivers will make Sloan look like a total clown.
I hope Boston hasn't heard of the zone defense.
I'm not thinking win or loss here. I'm trying to decide if the Jazz will reach 70 points.
Boston is tough, and this will be their first game in 4 days. I expect them to come out fresh and super energetic on defense. Plus, it's a home game. I don't see Jazz winning
KG and whoever is filling in at the C position, as well as the PF position, will have career nights in blocks. Boozer is a complete puss-weed when it comes to big men who can actually man up.
Jazz drop this one in amazing fashion, losing by 50.
We should win easily. New York and Sacramento's defense is better than their's, I'm sure.
Utah jazz where useless players get put to use happens
Jazz win this one going away. I hope...
Jazz will not win this game. I wish I could say they would but I know they won't. They aren't playing like a team that can go in and beat this Celtics team on their home floor. Hell, the Jazz have a hard enough time defending their home floor against the Kings.
Don't kid yourselves gents. This one is going to be a Boston massacre. We will be running from the arena with our tails between our legs.
F healthy, the Celtics are going to be 2010 champs. They're our worst nightmare right now. Size, athleticism, and shooting. Everything we have, they have a counter for. This is going to be a rough game.
I've come to love Rondo. The guy plays with a chip on his shoulder but he has veterans all around him to keep him in line. Jazz need more of that.
Boston by 83
There's always the chance that Boston will come into the game confident and underestimate our scrubs. Probably not, but I think it's the only chance we've got.
We've all seen games where the Jazz were supposed to destroy teams because they were missing all their good players (cough Sacramento cough) and then the Jazz lose. Well, it's time for some payback. Jazz by 5 tonight!
If there's No D-Will = any interest likely GONE.
So, I take it you're not the type that likes to stare at the scene of a bad car accident?
Memo has to be legally retarded. The guy is a total moron. The ball falls out of his hands and he's literally still looking for it while the ball is in the freakin' hoop
Boozer and Memo just beyond worthless.
You can tell Boston is in a league completely up and above us. The way they run their plays, talk and communicate on the floor looks foreign to a Jazz fans eyes.
This games being poorly reffed on both ends thus far.
Boston is doin a **** job of boxing us out. Too bad we can't stop them on defense.
When you have to double Kendrick Perkins you know you're in trouble.
Wonder why Boston didn't play any zone that 1st half.
They don't even need to. They're on another level. They can do whatever they want.
Why did we ever extend fat a$$ Okur? He is absolutely worthless. Funny how we were excited when the Jazz signed both him and Boozer a few years back. Now I can't wait til they are both off this team. This franchise is so scared of change but if they would just get rid of those two players, euthanize Sloan and not botch the NY pick we would be a legitemate team.
Good, we'll be 3-5 after this. Well on our way to two great lottery picks.
Do people still think Rondo is getting overpaid?
Seldon Williams is dominating Boozer. Someone needs to see if Jerry is awake on the bench or if he is even paying attention.
This team couldn't even keep it respectable. I mean the Celtics can't be that much better than us. We don't even have the excuse that DWill was hurt... he played over 30 minutes.